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Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:27 pm
I think you're also missing the point that many people can't have a paypal for many reasons. And I hope you realized that there are countries that doesn't support paypal. Even though it's a small few, we might have users from there and it's unfair if we are forcing them to use paypal when they can't.

Amy wrote:
as a seller, this is much easier to put into perspective for me, and i see ppl who disagree are buyers. im not really confident on how it will impact everything since its just a suggestion"

^^ Regarding that statement, @Mar, @Queen, @Doll, are mostly sellers... and they disagreeing. I consider myself more of a buyer, but I do sell things on GASR occasionally, and I accept both kind of payment to make it easier on the buyer. And I also pay both in credits and through paypal, depending on what I'm buying and what I have more to at the time.

At the end of the day, people do what is easier for them and there's no need to ban a popular currency. Doing so will not move GASR further, but will stop many people from actually using the forum.

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Cain - Today at 12:10 AM
playing the nya desu ka me desu kawaii nya card

Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:28 pm
Yes, I am a seller 99% of the time.  

Also, you posted while i was editing.  Now I have that ugly edited thing on my post.  Thanks @Fervent.

You can has it
Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:33 pm
Queen wrote:
Yes, I am a seller 99% of the time.  

@Queen ;; what I thought of when I read that

HA HA GOOD. DON'T EDIT. And you did the same when I edit, but thankfully I didn't get the edited thingy on my post.

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Cain - Today at 12:10 AM
playing the nya desu ka me desu kawaii nya card

Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:56 am
i dont charge in credits, and this suggestion absolutely has nothing to do with me nor is it influenced by anything ive experienced

@Queen nono, i meant what i said. i was using your example
so, for 10k its $10 that you need to pay to imvu, for 25k its $25 and like you said, an art piece thats sold for 25k could also be sold at $10, so ultimately if you're paying for 25k credits ($25) ur paying more than u would if u just directly transferred $10 via paypal

i cant do anything about those who choose to waste their money but its stupid that some people dont realise what they're doing - also creators do make real money from their credits i believe, its just a lot less now.
also people using credits common excuse is they dont have a paypal. well why not?? its 2016 get with the program. also its perfectly legal to use your parents paypal, just like its legal for them to buy you things in the dollar store lol
Sat Sep 10, 2016 8:30 am
Fervent wrote:
I hope you realized that there are countries that doesn't support paypal.

Not only that, it's against Paypal policy to have an account with them if you're under 18. Yes, you can link your parents bank or use their information BUT ONLY IF you have their permission. Without their permission, it is illegal.

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Cain - Today at 12:10 AM
playing the nya desu ka me desu kawaii nya card

Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:01 am
You do have to realise as well that a big portion of the gasr community is underage and perhaps use other methods of payment to buy credits (their mobile, for example)  or only use prepaid cards. In this case, they might not have access to PayPal or their parents may not like the idea of letting then have a PayPal account. In that case, since gasr unfortunately doesn't have its own currency, the only way of them being able to buy art is using the credits they got through other methods.
I understand that it's more convenient for you to receive cash because as a seller, it is for me too. But it's not convenient for everyone.

Also I didn't quite understand your comparison. When your parents buy you things from the dollar store, they use and have full control of their balance and their credit card. They are buying things for you with THEIR card, THEIR money. When you're using your parents' paypal you're the one who's using the card that belongs to them. Not all parents trust their children with info like that and you can't expect all parents to sit with their kids all day to send payments for the art their children order.
Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:52 am
@Mar they could ask for their parents paypal ACCOUNT, i believe you need to sign in each time so without access to their parents password they could just ask them or be honest. 

also i think its a good idea about the gasr currency thing. maybe credits should be converted to gasr points or something? and i forgot that paypal isnt available in some countries (although those countries are very 3rd world or closed from the world aka north korea) which i doubt anyone on here is from. 

if their parents dont have a paypal? ask them to make a paypal that you can use. they could deposit their pocket money or something into it instead, its not like their entire savings are gonna be on the paypal account lol. 
either way, everything should be available to everyone on the gasr community so for those who dont use imvu maybe a gasr currency should be implemented in which you can use da points or imvu creds to convert with, maybe even paypal. just an idea u guys
Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:09 am
Unfortunately as far as I know GASR currency is something we can't create right now because it would take a lot of time, effort and money that we don't have to go through all the legal processes. The staff would have to be dedicated to GASR fulltime and obviously that's something we can't do because most of us have school/normal jobs and only volunteer on GASR.
Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:15 am
why would they have to be dedicated fulltime? they wont be using the currency unless theyre selling or buying.  i suggest maybe there should be a vote within the mods or discussion of the pros and cons and whoevers in charge of your financial stuff decides the worth and technician implements it? its not really that hard, the credits and paypal money converted goes towards the website and in return people can use gasr currency to get what they want.
Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:33 am
^ it's not just that. This was suggested a while ago, as i recall. And someone (i believe it was Diablous) said it's more than just that. It's lawyers and money and time the mods don't have. This isn't just some point system they can set up, this is a whole mini economy they would have to set up. dA has their own currency but think about all the people dA has working for them. Nothing compared to the people we have VOLUNTEERING to be mods. You can't just say o let's have a point system so easily.
Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:05 am
@Jaz lawyers? for what exactly?? this website has grown so much i think there will be a time where they will be able to do it in the future.
Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:14 am
like i said. It would be it's own mini economy, lawyers would be implicated when having to deal with other companies such as Paypal for purchasing an online currency. Like i said, this was discussed before and that was one of the answers i remember reading for the mod.

GASR is still very small compared to sites that have their own currencies and there's no telling how much it will grow or if it will in the future.
Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:21 am
@Jaz it will for sure. 
i havent heard of any sites like this, i think its great for artists and people who like buying art, its bound to be big someday with more effort. also, people shouldnt volunteer if they're not willing to put work into it
Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:33 am
....i hope you realize how rude your last comment seemed. Especially to our mods who definitely put a lot of work into this site to keep it running.
Just because you don't see work being done, doesn't mean there isnt.
But running a site fulltime doesn't pay the bills.
Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:36 am
Okay please read what I'm gonna say fully and see if you understand my point.
GASR is not a company. It's a website . GASR doesn't exist physically outside of the internet. In fact the only thing we actually own is the domain. Forumotion is our forum host and GASR is hosted in Forumotion's servers. This means that at any time GASR can be deleted by forumotion in case anything happens. If we break one of forumotion's rules, we can get deleted, if we get copyright claims or any other strikes, we can get deleted and GASR will be gone, if forumotion for some reason ends up closing GASR will be gone. Unfortunately to be able to host GASR on our own we'd have to start again since Forumotion is quite restrictive.
To start an actual economy, we would have to be a company. We would have to go through a bunch of legal processes and get lawyers to ensure we'd be legally protected in case something went wrong.
Now, when you start a currency, you have to put money into it. We don't get a crazy amount of donations, we get just enough to pay for our AD free and domain. Whatever's left stays to be used on the next year to renew our AD free and domain since we have to pay for it every year. To start a currency not only you'd have to get lawyers (which are obviously not cheap), and don't forget virtual currency converts from real currency. To be able to start selling and making profit from the currency we'd have to invest in a decent amount of currency to be available for our users. We don't have that money at the moment, and not every member of the staff can take and offer their own money.
GASR is a forum. GASR is not a company. You can sell art but NO ONE that manages GASR is making money from actually working here. We volunteer to moderate a forum, not to work 24/7 in customer service without getting paid. I can assure you none of us would offer to do that without actually getting paid, that is ridiculous.
If we eventually become big enough to create a company, then yes, we will have to hire people and actually pay them to work. Also keep in mind that we'd have to alter GASR to accept the buying and converting of currency which would probably take a lot of time coding. I don't know any forum with a currency system, because it's nearly impossible, but if you do please let me know because I would like to understand it a bit better.
This is simply what I assume would happen if actually considered getting a currency. I'm not familiar with these processes, of course.
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