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Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:20 pm
okay so.. i know credits have become much less popular and imvu banned resellers, but there's been a lot of request threads asking for credits payment, and much less custom shops accepting credits as payment. 

the price of credits has also become higher, so instead of £2.50 for 5k credits, its £5 for 5k. so... why are people assuming credits is the cheaper option? if you spend $10 for 10k credits, to pay the artist in 10k credits, you are paying them the equivalent of $10, although the value of the dp would probably be half or even less than that typically. 

if people are able to buy credits, why cant they just use a paypal to pay for services instead? if you're under 18.. use your parents paypal. everyone should have a paypal! credits aren't worth much anymore and i don't see a point in paying them seeing as you end up paying more than you would if you just paid using paypal. making a paypal is so easy too.. like you have the card anyway, just put it online and save everybody some time and money. lazyness is not a valid excuse. 

GASR has also become independent from imvu, welcoming users that dont have to necessarily be part of the imvu community.. so why make it harder for them to make profit? the only purpose of credits is to well.. buy outfits on IMVU? or something? for those who want to use their credits or have credits to spend from doing that, there could be another section opened for people who want to buy/sell in credits. 
*im not sure if gasr is benefiting from credits, but if theyre not, thats another reason to put an end to them. 

this is kind of like an impulsive post.. maybe im not thinking straight. feel free to correct me but its just a thought. lol
Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:28 pm
I don't have the energy right now to fully give my opinion about this (I'll probably edit the post later) but remember that a lot of people still have crazy amounts of credits from before the closure of resellers so keep in mind most people just want to get rid of their credits. Also using your parents/someone elses paypal isn't really a good idea, if you get caught your PayPal account will be banned and all kinds of crap. It's a risk some take and some don't.
Not everyone can have paypal, for example my PayPal isn't linked to a card because I don't own any cards besides a debit card that's not compatible with paypal.
I don't see why banning credits, a lot of people still use them for developing/other things on IMVU so imo it wouldn't be beneficial to the forum, we take a lot of different payment methods (paypal, credits, game currency, dA points). If we removed credits then we would have to remove everything else

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Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:56 pm
yeah thats why i said maybe there should be a subsection, not sure about ur debit card problem tho, u dont need to link to ur bank for it to work. 
i just think online currency is not really worth the equivalent of real money :/
i have a lot of credits too, i just think that artists should be paid in something that they use and need, not just to like.. empty your imvu credits out i suppose?
my overall point is just.. instead of buying credits for art just put the money into paypal instead since its cheaper
Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:57 pm
Many people still use and need credits. It's not just for imvu clothing, rooms, etc, they either use it to create or use it for badges. There's a whole badge community who comes here to buy/sell pixel art for that. Just because it's useless to some, doesn't mean it's useless to everyone.

Also, in many places, they don't have access to Paypal so maybe all they have are credits. I don't think eliminating some form of payment would be wise.
Would write more but I'm on my phone right now lol. I might add on later
Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:00 pm
yeah still could be in a subsection for the pixels though :/
Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:05 pm
Some people offer both credits and PayPal though, I think it wouldn't make sense having a special section for credits. Plus we still have the little tags you can put in your shop to specify if you only take credits or cash

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Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:09 pm
like mar pointed it out, there's special tags to let people know what kind of payment they accept... If it bothers you that much, don't look at shops that accept credits?
There's no reason to make a subsection for 'credits only'. If that's the case, there should be a subsection for every type of payments GASR allows and that's just silly.
Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:11 pm
@Fervent wrote:
like mar pointed it out, there's special tags to let people know what kind of payment they accept... If it bothers you that much, don't look at shops that accept credits?
There's no reason to make a subsection for 'credits only'. If that's the case, there should be a subsection for every type of payments GASR allows and that's just silly.
especially since there's several different threads that requires payment. custom, premades, requests etc.
having a different subsection for each threads, even possibly including payment that doesn't involve paypal or credits, would be a huge mess.
it'd be much harder for the mods to take care of the site as well as confuse a lot of people.
Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:12 pm
lol i dont look at shops with credits, i just think its silly some people buy credits to spend on dps instead of making a paypal account with real money to get the dp for cheaper
common sense really, artists tend to accept paypal more than credits and requests are usually filled with credits only
Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:13 pm
i think gasr will develop a lot further and be separate from imvu to the point where they could ban credits eventually. and id understand why
Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:17 pm
Well that is their choice according to what is easier for them (maybe they buy credits for other purposes and use whatever's left to order some art, buy credits to develop and then use the remaining to order some art, etc). We can't force people to start buying everything with cash just because it's the cheapest option.`
edit: I don't think we'll ever ban credits, people might eventually stop using credits yes, but I don't think we would ever ban a payment option or currency unless we had a strong reason to such as legal issues or things of the such, in fact I think that since we drifted apart from IMVU we've been encouraging people to accept other payment options (so far I've seen game currency and gift cards for example)

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Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:19 pm
but why would we make things more expensive for no reason? i just want to help people who dont understand what theyre doing. 
Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:48 pm
"GASR has also become independent from imvu"

GASR is not and probably never will be independent from IMVU.  90% of orders are used on IMVU as well, even if it isn't made with an IMVU screenshot.  Nearly ALL pixel artwork (and there is a shit ton on here) is for IMVU as well.  (Badges, Icons, Display Images, Badge Description Artwork, etc.)

I don't see why you would ban a popular currency.  Even GASR uses credits for contests and whatnot.  In all actuality, the seller is losing money.  $10 or 10k?  The conversion rate is 1k=$0.40.  So really, the artist should be charging $10 or 25k.  So yeah, in this situation, paying them 10k IS the cheaper option if they already had the credits.  Even with resellers, you never got more than 0.40cents per 1k on a good day, so I'm not sure why everyone forgot that when you're not buying credits, the value is different.

Either way, the only person who suffers is the seller, not the buyer.

I am a little confused though. You say sending $10 is cheaper than buying 10k to send to someone. Well, if they're buying it, it doesn't make a difference? Whether they send $10 or 10k that they bought, they're still going to be spending the whole $10. Like I said, the only one who really loses out on credit payments is the artist.
Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:10 pm
@Queen what i was saying was, yes, the artist is charging $10 or 25k, but the buyer, instead of sending $10, needs to spend double the amount on credits to purchase 25k

as a seller, this is much easier to put into perspective for me, and i see ppl who disagree are buyers. im not really confident on how it will impact everything since its just a suggestion

& gasr had an official announcement that it is independent from IMVU
this is because they allow people to register on this website regardless of whether they have an imvu account or not, it's simply a forum (hence why we're able to change our names now and we dont have to go by our imvu usernames) although its not that popular to those outside of imvu i love this forum and i can see it developing into something further, thats why i think it will separate from imvu.
Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:25 pm
Allowing artists from other websites =/= independence from IMVU.  All they did was open up the door for artists outside of GASR to have another place to sell their artwork. GASR is still heavily reliant on IMVU and will be for a long time to come.  A lot of artists that come from other places do not stay long because IMVU users are accustomed to a certain price range for the same art and are not willing to pay the prices for other users who charge a higher amount.

"Why would I pay $5 for this bag of sugar when I can get the same sugar for 99cents over here." Y'know? It sucks, but that's life on GASR.

That is why credits are a popular currency on the website and always will be in a sense.  Also, now I'm confused again.  First you said $10=10k, now you're saying it = 25k like I said? Or were you confused in your other post?

If people want to waste their money on buying 25k for $25 instead of just sending the $10, there is really nothing we can do about it. We can't hold everyone's hand.

I'm not questioning your intentions, but you're asking a forum to remove it's second most popular currency instead of doing something any dedicated member would do.  Inform their buyers that they could save x amount of money if they sent via Paypal, and helping them set-up Paypal if need be or coming up with other options?

Forgive me if I don't understand why the whole system needs to be changed to add a crutch that helps only the ignorance of a few.  (I don't mean that directed at anyone or offensively.)

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